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Session Start: Sat Dec 22 16:05:30 2001
(NancyL) It's the hour. I have a mixed Agenda, so have put Planet X and ZetaTalk Accuracy questions first, as I expect attendees from sci.astro asking followup questions.
(NancyL) Have had only one set of questions like this, and not sure it's related, but lets put this FIRST as I've been accused (as usual) of all manner of subterfuge and want to put this to rest.
(Jurian) its funny how I suddenly turned into a cult sheep in the newsgroups as well, just for devoicing stig :D
(NancyL) These questions are from someone on the West Coast
(NancyL) PLANET X
(NancyL) 1. What is your source for all this information?
(NancyL) 2. What would I need to see the 12th planet (high power telescope, binoculars, etc..).
(NancyL) 3. When searching the sky what charactistics do I look for to let me know I have identified this new planet?
(NancyL) ZT: The question was posed to Nancy, as to HER source, which is ourselves.
(NancyL) ZT: This has been explained, repeatedly, as is well documented on the ZetaTalk web site.
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy is a contactee, who has volunteered to be a communicator during these troubled times.
(NancyL) ZT: She volunteered before birth, her spirit volunteering, and has had no problems during this incarnation with her mission.
(NancyL) ZT: To enhance her ability to understand the concepts we are presenting, she allowed herself to be modified in her late 20's with a bit of our brain tissue, DNA compatible with hers, which allows her to better receive our telepathic communications.
(NancyL) ZT: The portion of her brain thus modified affects ONLY telepathic communications, so Nancy is otherwise herself.
(NancyL) ZT: As her telepathic communication center was enhanced, she also began to receive more communications from her fellow humans during this time, which she became aware of.
(NancyL) ZT: As she did not allow herself to realize that she was a contactee until her mid-50's, this put some 3 decades of enhanced telepathic communications with humans into her consciousness, BEFORE she realized why this came about.
(NancyL) ZT: As her source, we have provided what soon became known as ZetaTalk, of world reknown.
(NancyL) ZT: The information relayed by us is sometimes foreign to Nancy, sometimes familiar.
(NancyL) ZT: She was introduced to the concept of radical Earth changes, but not the date.
(NancyL) ZT: This was revealed to her during ZetaTalk, as 2003, a surprise to HER as well as others.
(NancyL) ZT: We kept this as a surprise to her so that she could function normally in the world she had to live in until her mid-50's.
(NancyL) ZT: ZetaTalk Accuracy is also something not planned by Nancy, as she simply relays what we communicate and, as she says, "jumps off the cliff".
(NancyL) ZT: She has no way of knowing if this is correct or not, and having put her life and livelihood at risk, she just trusts.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the SOURCE of her information is, truly, us, none other.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(Klotw)The gentic material Nancy received came from somewhere. Were any Zetas harmed by obtaining genetic material?
(Spud2001gb) Is nancy unique?
(DavidS) Why should we trust you as source? (I do) - but why should we trust you, Zetas?
(NancyL) ZT: You lose brain cells every minute, even during this chat. So no, not permanently or to any noticeable extent.
(NancyL) ZT: There were plenty of volunteers.
(Klotw) Good
(DraganR) So it is like religion, trust with your heart or not.
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy is unique as to her telepathic communications, though many others, seeing the success of ZetaTalk, have asked for this.
(NancyL) ZT: It is not so much her body, or her IQ, or her age or location that determined our decision to accept Nancy's offer.
(NancyL) ZT: She has other qualities, missing in others, and in abundance in Nancy.
(Spud2001gb) Why is she the ONLY one saying about 2003
(NancyL) ZT: We have addressed this before, but will briefly list them: courage, the ability to stand up to STS methods, absolutely, and a track record in this regard that allowed us to trust her with this mission.
(NancyL) ZT: She has more than satisfied our expectations.
(NancyL) ZT: Regarding why humans should trust ZetaTalk, when so many other channels or claims are speaking at odds with it.
(NancyL) ZT: As we mentioned during the last chat, we predict, and our predictions can be tracked.
(NancyL) ZT: Sources that do NOT so predict cannot be determined to be anything but disinformation or hot air.
(NancyL) ZT: Are we the Devil, leading you astray?
(NancyL) ZT: Is your best friend doing so, or your mother, or your government?
(NancyL) ZT: How do you determine THAT? You balance what is being said against what you know, and make a determination.
(NancyL) ZT: In the case of ourselves, via ZetaTalk, you must do the same.
(NancyL) End ZT
(DavidS) Yeah our intuition - and communication with our subconscious and our soul is a key here I guess?
(NancyL) ZT: In regarding trust, between STO team members vs a religion.
(DraganR) So it is like religion, trust with your heart or not.
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy is not RELIGIOUS in her trust, or ours in hers. We have known each other for many incarnations, and have a long track record with each other.
(DraganR) Me neither bur just using as an example.
(NancyL) ZT: Religions ask for faith WITHOUT any basis, demand it, often, and thus have less basis for trust than between team members.
(Zetapal) Isn't there an inner witness that testifies to truth in those that seek it?If the info is valid there is something inside that "goes off"?
(NancyL) End ZT
(DavidS) So, you Zetas and Nancy have lived in other places together in the universe? Or?
(NancyL) ZT: Regarding "inner truth", you are here referring to what your SOUL knows, from the many incarnations.
(Zetapal) Thank you
(NancyL) ZT: The soul is also privy to more information than the body it is incarnated in, as it can have soul-to-soul chats with another, and recognize STS vs STO easily due to this.
(Klotw)I would assume many are here for the same reason, we just don't know it yet.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, when humans describe a "gut feeling", they are giving credence to this wider knowledge, not knowing its source.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) 2. What would I need to see the 12th planet (high power telescope, binoculars, etc).
(DavidS) So you, Zetas and Nancy have lived in other places together in other places in the universe? Or?
(NancyL) David, I'm terran only, so on Earth only.
(NancyL) ZT: At present the 12th Planet, aka Planet X, is almost as tiny as Pluto while reflecting less light.
(NancyL) ZT: In size, it is larger than Pluto as it is surrounded by a halo of dust and swirling moons.
(NancyL) ZT: But due to its size and primarily the dim light currently emitted and arriving at your eye, you need a LOT of help in seeing this inbound planet.
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that until mid-2002 you should go to your local observatory to see the 12th.
(NancyL) ZT: This is because observatories enhance visibilty in a number of ways.
(NancyL) ZT: 1. they are positioned for good visibility, excluding light pollution and clouds.
(NancyL) ZT: 2. they enhance this visibility by long tubes, which take in ONLY the light from the part of the sky scanned.
(NancyL) ZT: 3. they increase the visibility of this portion of sky by magnifying, which means every pixel is increased to be several pixels.
(NancyL) ZT: 4. they can take images, have the equipment available, that are of better quality than less expensive equipment.
(NancyL) ZT: 5. in many cases they have infrared equipment, or filtering equipment, that would allow them to screen FOR infrared or red spectrum light.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, until Mid-2002, astronomers or those determined to look for themselves will not have much luck.
(Kiko) Seeing the 12th: I've noticed that some newer video cameras have so called nightshot options. These are basically infrared to visual light converters. Are these good enough to help in 12th observation (I know some IR to visual converter only work on short distances)?
(NancyL) ZT: Between that date and the 7 week prior to the shift period when ALL will be able to see the 12th, with or without scopes, there will be gradual increase such that amateurs will begin to see it.
(NancyL) ZT: Until we reach that date, we will hold off on the details, as giving too much ammunition to the enemy allows them to arm themselves against this information.
(NancyL) ZT: Amateurs will not be kept waiting, as we will provide the information and specs in time, for THEM, to succeed.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(DPW) Is there a connection between Nancy and the Telos?
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(Gerard) DPW: only follow up questions, which are related.
(NancyL) DPW, I have no connect with Telos, whatever that is. Not on the Agenda.
(Kiko) Nancy, can you answer the above question on video cam with IR?
(DPW) Sorry I had a knock at the door and missed to get that out. The Telos are telepathic as well.
(NancyL) Kiko, what do you mean, answer on video cam?
(Kiko) Will repeat.
(NancyL) Do you want a video clip of this answer?
(Zetapal) Will the inhabitants of the 12th be looking at us during the passage and will there be any attempts to make contact with us even though quarantined by the Council?
(NancyL) DPW, or so they say. Per the last chat, you must provide their PREDICTIONS and ACCURACY before taking my time.
(Kiko) I've noticed that some video cameras have a so called nightshot option, which is basically infrared to visual light converter. Can this be used to shot 12th?
(NancyL) Perhaps they are bull shit.
(SteveH) Kiko, I don't think any video camera could see the 12th, IR or not...
(NancyL) Zetapal, no, as is outlined in ZetaTalk. They watch the light show, but have no plans to come to Earth, for sure.
(NancyL) They consider this a swamp.
(Kiko) Steveh: I suspect that.
(DPW) Aren't Dolphin?
(Zetapal) Thank you.
(NancyL) To answer Kiko:
(Spud2001gb) How will they debunk this when amateurs start seeing it
(NancyL) ZT: Video cameras will be taking plenty of shots of the 12th during the last weeks, but tend to take in ALL the light in the area.
(DPW) Aren't Dolphins extremely conscious as well as telepathic?
(NancyL) ZT: Observatories are positioned where they are, and use those long tubes, to screen OUT, else light pollution makes it impossible to see much at all.
(NancyL) End ZT to Kiko
(Kiko) I suspected so. Thanks.
(NancyL) DPW, my dog is very telepathic. I have this down COLD. As are many animals.
(NancyL) 3. When searching the sky what charactistics do I look for to let me know I have identified this new planet?
(NancyL) ZT: As the 12th approaches, the key characteristic to look for will be the redish glow.
(DPW) Well, then I am surprised you haven't heard of the Telos with such of your animals.
(NancyL) ZT: This will at first be called a nova, with whatever nova characteristic would give a reddish appearance.
(NancyL) ZT: However, novas don't move, nor last long, so the fact that this one continues, and MOVES, will cause other explanations to be forthcoming.
(DPW) You could also call them the CETACEANS Nancy.
(NancyL) ZT: When the 12th passes, it will take on the appearance that the ancients described as a fire dragon in the sky.
(NancyL) ZT: The swirling moons create a tail, of sorts.
(NancyL) ZT: We have also explained, in the Red Cross piece in ZetaTalk, that due to the manner in which the human eye receives light, it will take on the appearance of a cross, as the ancients also recorded.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not unlike looking at the stars, or squinting at bright lights, when it is easy to make them appear as a cross.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the most distinguishing characteristic is the reddish appearance, fairly unique in the sky.
(NancyL) ZT: Second, it moves, in accordance with our coordinates.
(NancyL) ZT: Third, it will GROW in size, while moving.
(NancyL) ZT: Fourth, it will be accompanied by Earth changes, quakes and activating volcanoes, so that the two cannot be separated in most minds.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(NancyL) AFTERTIME
(NancyL) 1. The Zetas advise to avoid the enclaves of the elite as the cataclysms near. Aside from the obvious (military bases, offers of work from the elite, etc.), can the Zetas give any advice regarding how to avoid the elite when choosing a survival site?
(NancyL) ZT: We have advised NOT clinging to the establishment, regardless of any offers they may make, as the pole shift approaches.
(NancyL) ZT: We have advised that they will make offers of employment, to the recently unemployed, with the plan to make slaves of those accepting these offers.
(NancyL) ZT: We have advised that moving or remaining next to military bases, or cities with a heavy load of government workers employed there, is to be avoided.
(NancyL) ZT: We have advised that there are certain known locales in the US where a carry-on government is KNOWN to be established.
(NancyL) ZT: Beyond these obvious factors, what else is a clue that the establishment is setting a trap?
(NancyL) ZT: When disasters strike, it is normal for disaster relief to be provided.
(NancyL) ZT: This is in the form of moving residents aside, out of harms way, and into schools or churches where blankets and cots and hot soup are provided.
(NancyL) ZT: Tents may be erected for temporary shelter.
(NancyL) ZT: But going into the pole shift, this disaster relief will take a different form.
(NancyL) ZT: They will suggest moving groups of the displaced AWAY from their homeland, and into cities or barracks prepared for them.
(NancyL) ZT: It is this change which should raise suspicions.
(NancyL) ZT: Next, watch the movements of the elite, where they are buying land and building enclaves.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not so much a secret, as the locals note this full well, and if they are moving INTO your locale, move OUT.
(NancyL) ZT: These will not be good neighbors, nor will they change their ways and begin to care about others when times get tight.
(NancyL) ZT: A third factor will be the pleasantness of the locale.
(NancyL) ZT: In spite of coastlines and mountains being somewhat dangerous, these are PLEASANT places to live in.
(NancyL) ZT: The elite will be loath to move to the safest locations, away from large cities or the coast, and will try to stike a compromise.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, you will find them NOT moving to the grim places, out in the rural areas, amid the cows and farmers.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, such places are relatively SAFE for you!
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(Kiko) Regarding STS/STO separation in 2002. Won't STS take advantage of STO communities if they will be next to each other, like parts of town, as you said?
(NancyL) ZT: Within a town or city, the STS will continue to take advantage, as they do today.
(DPW) Would the carry-on Establishment be FEMA, which isn't actually U.S. Gov't as they claim to be?
(NancyL) ZT: This is why we advise to NOT be in a city, as these games will take some time to run their course, until the STS find themselves out of luck, and in the meantime the STO may not survive either.
(NancyL) ZT: The best approach is to move to rural areas, where the STS are least likely to go as the pickings are not good.
(Spud2001gb) Why do they need slaves, to do what?
(NancyL) ZT: The STS prefer rich enclaves, first, then cities where there are MANY families and stores to loot.
(NancyL) ZT: Least of all, rural areas, especially as the going will be on foot.
(NancyL) ZT: Those caught in towns, with STS, had best keep a low profile, and next ally with other STO to do bait and switch.
(NancyL) ZT: By this we mean set the STS up, leading them to believe they are about to pounce on STO to loot and toy with them, but they find themselves trapped in a basement, with no way out.
(NancyL) ZT: Bear in mind that trapping a looter, who intends you no service, and giving him what he planned to give YOU, is not cruel, it is Karmic justice.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) DPW I wouldn't trust FEMA at all.
(Klotw) They read my mind :-)
(NancyL) We'll not get to all the questions, but I'll carry over the rest. Last question is ..
(NancyL) 2003
(NancyL) 1. Lately I've noticed a slight but definite uptick in absent-minded car accidents, mishandled orders in stores and restaurants, and other scattered and confused behavior. I'm reminded of Scallion's remarks about growing emotional disturbances as the earth changes draw near. Is this in fact the case - that the advent of PS2003 is increasingly reflected among part of the populace in awareness issues?
(Tanivan) An eye for an eye.
(NancyL) ZT: Many humans are clearly aware of what is coming, in their subconscious, all the while denying this on the surface in their conscious.
(NancyL) ZT: There is a great gap between what the common man senses, and sees about him, and what the government is willing to talk about.
(NancyL) ZT: As the weather changes, there is LESS talk of the extreme nature of the weather patterns and where this might be leading.
(NancyL) ZT: Summer in winter and winter in summer? There is only discussion about variations from the past, as though this were just another day, not an EXTREME pattern.
(NancyL) ZT: The seas rising on the coastlines? There is no talk of how much property will shortly be swollowed up, and what the insurance companies will do when they go bankrupt.
(NancyL) ZT: Melting poles and glaciers? This is talked about as though just another odd day in the weather pattern, NOT projected as to where this might be leading nor to cause.
(NancyL) ZT: Meanwhile, as during past years when the media could only talk about a Presidents Oval Office escapade, we are now treated only to nightly coverage of where Bin Laden might be hiding.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the public becomes increasingly uneasy, as they sense something LARGER than the weather or melting polar ice.
(NancyL) ZT: They sense a cover-up, and are thinking, at least subconsciously, of what this might mean.
(NancyL) ZT: They are dealing with life as many contactees must, daily. Living two lives, and trying to act as though this were normal.
(NancyL) ZT: If they share their concerns, they fear being called odd, so stay silent.
(NancyL) ZT: Worries not shared are increasingly distracting, and lead one to make mistakes on the job or elsewhere.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, accidents, bloopers, slips of the tongue, and absentmindedness are on the increase.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(Kiko) How true.
(Zetapal) so many are obsessed with the idea of survival above all else... quoting from the Bible a time which "the living will envy the dead" and considering that as the Zetas have said the human body is not at all an ideal place for a 4th density entity to incarnate; indeed the survival of the human at all is questionable... isn't death (which is just a doorway) as valid an alternative choice for an individual as survival at all costs?
(Zunisunface) Weren't there some experiments done with the Montauk projects and other human-alien projects which sent out messages at our brain's frequency which also confuses people and animals?
(Gerard) Only ask questions that are related to the answer given :)
(NancyL) Zetapal, I've been asked this question, increasing. Shades of Heaven's Gate cult (gulp).
(NancyL) ZT: Each human makes these types of decisions, daily, during this lifetime as well as lifetimes past.
(Zetapal) Thank you
(NancyL) ZT: Suicide, for those in good health who have concern for OTHERS, should never be considered, though this is of course a personal decision.
(NancyL) ZT: The reason we advise to consider otherwise is that others will need YOU.
(NancyL) ZT: YOU are aware of what is coming, and so many will be taken unawares.
(Zetapal) Yes
(DPW) Is HAARP (High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) playing a major roll in our Weather patterns that is leading or to cause?
(NancyL) ZT: There are children who will be left orphaned, without protection, vulnerable to the worst nightmares.
(NancyL) ZT: There are those who will wish to stay alive for the safe of their dependents, children or others in poor health or needing them, who will need ADVICE.
(NancyL) ZT: What to eat, where to go, how to distill the water to avoid lead poisoning, where to get Vitamin C, and what to expect over the next few months?
(Zetapal) Yes
(NancyL) ZT: Should they move to the hills or remain along the rivers where fish abound?
(NancyL) ZT: Should they rebuild a shelter or plan a houseboat to accomodate the rising water?
(NancyL) ZT: Should they join this group or that, or take to the road?
(NancyL) ZT: What country or direction is the best direction, if moving is the obvious choice?
(NancyL) ZT: How long will this last? Will help arrive to rescue them?
(Zetapal) Yes
(NancyL) ZT: All these questions are those you can HELP them with.
(Zetapal) Thank you
(NancyL) ZT: So before considering an easy way out for YOURself, consider how much you can relieve the pain of others, who will suffer without your help!
(NancyL) End ZT
(Zetapal) Thank you
(NancyL) DPW, HAARP is a disinfo, no such cause of weather or Earth moaning exists. A HAARP exists, per the Zetas, but only to point to, for the establihsment to ppoint to.
(NancyL) I think we're past the hour.
(NancyL) I expected the sci.astro crowd to show up and ask followup questions, but they prefer posting insults only, apparently.
(NancyL) Did I catch all the followup questions?
(DPW) Thank you Nancy =)
(NancyL) Than you all again for inspiring great ZetaTalk.
(SteveH) Thanks Nancy!
(Spud2001gb) Cheers
(NancyL) Good night to all, and see you next weekend, 12/29/01 :-)
(Gerard) Thank you Nancy and the Zetas of course :)
(Liai) Thank you - Nancy and Zetas
Session Close: Sat Dec 22 17:14:37 2001