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Session Start: Sun Nov 11 17:59:03 2001
(ZetaTalk) Welcome to the Live channel. Please, follow the instructions given by the operators (those people with an @ in front of their name) at all times.
(NancyL) If Steve Havas is or Michael Listman or Mike O'Hara are present, we can invite them in.
(ZetaTalk) Inviting Mike O'Hara to the Live Room
(ZetaTalk) Inviting Mike Listman to the Live Room
(NancyL) This is the first weekly IRC session planned by ZetaTalk. A question has been posed to the attendees as to time in future, whether 4:00 PM Central on Saturdays would be good. This would be late morning in Australia and Pacific Rim, late evening in Europe.
(NancyL) I will be posting the logs from these sessions on the web site.
(NancyL) The Zeta responses will be brief, more interactive than normal ZetaTalk, but may be fleshed out to be included in the ZetaTalk What's New page as needed after the session.
(NancyL) Several questions were posed, on late notice, for this evenings session.
(NancyL) They ranged from questions about earth changes going into the shift, the passage, life immediately afterwards, and an interesting STS/STO question which will be addressed if there is time.
(NancyL) I see that two of the questioners are present on the stage.
(NancyL) The first question to be addressed by the Zetas is Mountain Building, how much and to what degree this will occur THIS shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Mountain building apparent to humans has occurred over many shifts, nudged up repeatedly as the given shift affected that particular plate with enough force to create a strong subduction.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, is is a CUMULATIVE affect, not a one-time result. This time around, there will be strong mountain building, in particular in the Hymalayas and Andes, not so much along the West Coast of North American, and hardly at all in the Alps in Europe.
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Followup from the Questioner re this response?
(MListman) No, this answered my question, thanks
(NancyL) Second question to be addressed will be regarding preparations for the shift. Human checklist may be OTHER than what the Zetas would advise! Have human checklists fallen short?
(Jurian) !invite Steve Havas
(ZetaTalk) Inviting Steve Havas to the Live Room
(NancyL) ZT: Humans hearing dread warnings tend to think in terms of stocking up and hunkering down. The cataclysmic situations they incounter include tornadoes (hunker down), hurricanes (escape and store up away from the coast), droughts or shortages (store up), etc.
(NancyL) ZT: The pole shift will present survivors with LONG TERM needs, not anticipated. We advise thinking about Third World conditions and adaptations, or life 100 years ago for those living in highly industrialized nations.
(NancyL) ZT: This give the picture of CONTINUING struggle. You don't plant seed to grow for this season, you save 10% for seed stock next year.
(NancyL) ZT: You don't eat your livestock altogether, when hungry, you save your best pairs and breed for the future, going hungry NOW if need be!
(NancyL) ZT: You think of the minimal that you will need, not the optimal and how to arrange for it. When you've got the minimal, start adding to that, but ONLY when the minimal is addressed.
(NancyL) ZT: This is where humans fail the most in planning for the shift, and life afterwards. They think of their life NOW, and come down from that. They should start with life with NOTHING, but bugs and sucking dirty water up from the ground with their hands. No clothes. No heat. NOTHING.
(NancyL) ZT: Then add what is needed most, and first. Heat, shelter, then food, bugs if need be or weeds, then how to clean your food so you can stop that tummy ache and constant pooping, then how to grow or gather food more effectively, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: Start from that, adding what is needed to clean water and eat food nature will provide, live bugs aplenty, and go from THERE, and you will have a better plan.
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Is there any followup questions from the questioner.
(MikeO) Is it advisable to start suggesting to trusted neighbors that something is up?
(NancyL) ZT: If you make mention to those friends and neighbors that YOU are concerned, without demanding anything from them such as agreement, they will come to YOU when the time comes.
(MikeO) Thank you. No more questions
(NancyL) ZT: They will see you as someone alert, intuitive, and when THEY start to be concerned, you will have no problem talking to them, a receptive audience.
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Third question from Steve Havas ...
(NancyL) He asks about specifics of the passage, how long the rotation will stop, just when the shift will occur, and if the passing planet will be visible from Earth, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: We have withheld the EXACT hour of passage from our ZetaTalk for several reasons: 1. the establishment and those groups who would take advantage of good hearted folk would use this knowledge to better entrap and enslave and ensure their own survival at the expense of the good hearted.
(NancyL) ZT: 2. The timing of this can change slightly due to matters in the solar system, such that a mis-calculation could see us, in horror, watching good hearted folks trying to save those dependent upon them TOO LATE, by days or hours, a matter we would prefer to avoid for a later announcement, more precise.
(NancyL) ZT: 3. Earth changes, and the EXACT position of the Earth in relationship to the passing planet, will change slightly as the time approaches, so warnings for this or that part of the world may change at the last minute, or last week in any case. Best to leave this for THEN, so no misunderstandings can occur.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, as we approach the shift, our messages will get more precise, and the messages today are as precise as GENERAL information can be. Stay tuned, in this regard.
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that the rotation will stop for approximately a week. The best advice is to NOT watch your clocks, but to watch the skies. Do you see the Moon or stars on the move. It has STARTED! Have a watcher in your group, or more than one, at all times. You have minutes to get safe before the stoppage, when great quakes happen. Less than an hour.
(NancyL) ZT: The passing planet will be visible to all on that part of the Earth facing the Sun, not on the dark side except that they can see tail matter perhaps, to the side, like a comet tail but redish.
(NancyL) ZT: To those viewing the passage, the passing planet seems to be a red cross, not larger than the Moon (smaller in fact), and drifting slowly.
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Are there followup questions on this portion of Steve's questions?
(NancyL) The fourth question and answer is a combination from two individuals.
(SteveH) My concern for knowing precise date for pole shift was in case the 15th turns into the 16th or 17th and would be survivors start getting ansy and leave due to other engagements.
(SteveH) and then the shift happens on the 18th or something...
(NancyL) ZT: The date of May 15th has often been referred to as an EARLY date, to some degree.
(SteveH) I have one question regarding stoppage of rotation..
(NancyL) ZT: This is early to some degree, the number of days or weeks not specified.
(NancyL) ZT: Anyone who has severed their life elsewhere and is in a safe place BY May 15th will not find this distressing, or have any regrets. This is as close as we can come to specifying the anticipated day of the shift, now.
(SteveH) What if it is cloudy several days after stoppage? How to best determine pole shift as it starts so as to rush to shelter?
(NancyL) ZT: By May 15th, it will be utterly clear that earth changes are IN PROCESS, most humans walking about in shock, numb. There will be no getting ansy or debate about a mistake.
(SteveH) Hehe, good
(NancyL) ZT: Regarding the hour of the shift where clouds obscure the night sky or viewing of the Moon or Sun, clues that the crust is shifting.
(NancyL) ZT: There will be sounds from the Earth, different from the moaning that occurs the week of stoppage, where the crust is in TENSION as regards the motion of the core turning under it, while the crust is stopped.
(NancyL) ZT: The moaning, where only the utterly weary can sleep, will STOP, replaced by a tearing sound, jerking motions as the crust separates, and this in combination with the point the SUN is viewed or any stars on the night side of the globe are viewed, is the clue.
(NancyL) ZT: Re proximity to shelter during the week of shelter, humans are advised to stay within a few minutes of the trench or bermed shelter, during all times.
(NancyL) ZT: This will in fact not be difficult to maintain, as all will be hovered about, clinging to each other, no other news or focus distracting them.
(NancyL) ZT: Children can be entertained if this is planned for, and not stray far.
(NancyL) ZT: For those needing to sleep, have them sleep IN the shelters, for instance. Plan to minimize the steps needed when the alarm goes off, and tolerate a few false alarms with good humor!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(GerardZ) A question from someone in the audience room : "Ok, follow up to the 3rd q. when will the planet be visible to the naked eye if watched from earth?"
(NancyL) Gerard: This audience question is 7 weeks before passage, in existing ZT.
(NancyL) The fourth question and answer is combined. Will weeds and grass grow in most areas? How long after the shift before normal crops can be grown?
(NancyL) ZT: Edibility and availability of native weeds and grasses after the shift, as a source of food for humans and livestock and even wildlife, depends upon the location, entirely.
(SteveH) Best case, worst case?
(NancyL) ZT: In some parts of the world, life will virtually close down. This is near volcanoes, under the drifting ash, or where polar cold descends.
(NancyL) ZT: In other parts of the world, there will within two years be abundant grasses or weeds. For instance, the new land emerging between Antartica and Africa, will be moist, temperate, highly fertile, and without competition from livestock or seed from most weeds.
(NancyL) ZT: Any seed landing there will FLOURISH!
(NancyL) ZT: In areas not in the path of volcanic ash, but affected by the overall gloom, one might estimate a 50% reduction in sunlight and crop success.
(NancyL) ZT: For instance, if a crop needed strong sunlight to flourish, it might barely get to producing seed before the season ends.
(NancyL) ZT: In nature, this would reproduce the weed, but for crops, it would not be a return.
(SteveH) How about potatoes?
(NancyL) ZT: Survivors will soon find what crops manage to give a return, and what not!
(NancyL) ZT: Another factor is rot, the moisture level, which will be EXTREME. Mold will be everywhere, dampness, bugs, and those crops that tolerate damp conditions coming through, others failing utterly.
(NancyL) ZT: Root crops, where they provide a survivor in the evolution chain due to the energy in these roots or tubors, do NOT do well enough after a pole shift due to the wet ground and mold about.
(SteveH) Doh!
(NancyL) ZT: Also, consider the wildlife and bugs, which are likewise hungry. Food under the surface can be reached and eaten while the exhausted humans sleep, where fences are less likly to be breached.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not an easy answer, as it depends so much on local, and what each survivor or group is familiar with planting and harvesting, so the variabilities are immense.
(NancyL) ZT: If a crop can be grown in the dim, the damp, and is not susceptible to mice or moles, yet carries nutrition, it is a WINNER! Remember, likewise, that you can eat bugs, if they manage to eat your crops!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Any followup questions to this Zeta response?
(SteveH) So fungus and mushrooms should grow?
(SteveH) In appropriate areas that is
(NancyL) ZT: Mushrooms are often mentioned as a good possibility, and they are one, but they are NOT the best, nor the only. Explore, and test a bit! Run up a spreadheet of candidates, and run a lab in this regard! This is, in fact, a nonprofit project, which could use a lot of help!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(MListman) Will any mature trees survive the shift?
(NancyL) Question five is about explaining matters to others, creating fear in them or resistance.
(NancyL) ZT: Each human will be different in their response to earth and sociological changes about them. Some will increase their resistance as the shift approaches, some suddenly break and become aware and oriented.
(NancyL) ZT: Some will seem to be solid partners, planning, and then become distant and trivial as the time approaches.
(NancyL) ZT: Some will get hysterical, to the point of disrupting all about them, if allowed to. The hysteric may be someone expected to be the rock, and the flaky person become the rock, to everyone's surprise.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, how to approach those friends and family members one hopes to form a survival group with is NOT an easy answer, as the variabilites are as large as the population under question!
(NancyL) ZT: Our advice is to not put all eggs in one basket, maintain as much flexibility as possible, and be surprised at nothing a human could present you with!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Regarding Michael Listman's question about native trees.
(NancyL) ZT: Trees will in the main die, as they do not have stores of energy that can be tapped, and rely on annual sunlight to maintain those portions of themselves that are live.
(NancyL) ZT: Then how to trees survive, shift after shift?
(NancyL) ZT: Seedlings, in fact, survive better, and many seeds do not sprout until years later. It only takes a few sprouting seeds to prepetrate the species.
(NancyL) ZT: Seedlings are tiny compared to the giant parent, and thus can move along with fewer nutrients.
(NancyL) ZT: In fact, it is the seedling trees, growing a few years after the shift, that should be nurtured, NOT the dying parents.
(NancyL) ZT: Just as after a forest fire, these are the trees of the future!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(MListman) Thank you
(NancyL) We're closing the hour, so the last question pending among the 3 selected questioners will be addressed, briefly.
(NancyL) Sixth question was regarding satellite failure during the last years, predicted by the Zetas. Will cell phones fail?
(NancyL) ZT: The satellite failure we have predicted will be sporatic, but enough to impact technology as it support lifestyles today. Land lines will be reliable, cell phones not.
(NancyL) ZT: This will be most disconcerting to the power brokers among the elite, who will find business floundering, stocks which have fallen almost to the ground unable to be salvaged, and the reliance of the military on communications creating choas among those expected to protect the elite.
(NancyL) ZT: These groups will be screeching at each other, making shrill demands where no fix can be made.
(NancyL) ZT: The little man, the common man, will fare better, especially if they are using short wave technology. They will rely on this increasingly, and it will be old hand and familiar by the time it is needed solely, for communication at a distance from the site.
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) There were also some questions regarding the rate of recovery in the Earth, 5, 10 etc year after the shift, and fighting such diseases as gangrene with CS.
(NancyL) ZT: The Earth recovers from a shift in relationship to its location relative to active volcanoes, in the main.
(NancyL) ZT: The skies clear first where this dust is in the high altitudes, NOT in the wind-drift from fresh ash just raised.
(NancyL) ZT: 5 years after the shift, even 2 years after the shift, some sporatic sunlight will warn the Earth.
(NancyL) ZT: Those areas not getting direct, unclouded, sunlight will notice an increase in intensity, through the clouds.
(NancyL) ZT: It is possible even under clouds to get a sunburn, so clouds are not a death sentence to vegetation.
(NancyL) ZT: 10 years after the shift, many parts of the globe will consider themselves back to normal, although their memory will be failing them in this regard. So much better than before, that it seems like heaven!
(NancyL) ZT: Other parts of the globe, in the down-drift from volcanoes, will feel like Moses, enduring 40 years in the Valley of Death, where nothing lives.
(NancyL) ZT: What should not be forgotten, and can be planned upon even for those far inland, is the lushness of the oceans, and fish and kelp to support humans survivors.
(NancyL) ZT: This will not be so dependent upon the air clearning, as the oceans move this food about, fish about, so fishing ANYWHERE will be more abundant, compared to land life, in the Aftertime.
(NancyL) ZT: As regards CS to cure all ills, where a good assist, like raw garlic, it will not be salvation. Many will die, but remember that death is not the end!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) This concludes the hour of IRC. Are there any followup questions to that last batch of answers?
(MikeO) When the Zetas say fishing ANYWHERE, do they also mean inland lakes and streams?
(NancyL) ZT: Life in large lakes, as well as oceans, will fare far better than land based life after the shift.
(SteveH) How long will most volcanoes continue to spout after the shift?
(NancyL) ZT: This is in part due to the way sunlight enters water, and the susceptibility of land based vegetation to mold and bugs and physical assult and the like.
(NancyL) ZT: Seaweed will not find MORE assults that before, but will find more nutrients. Where the sunlight may be less, they can parlay any growth upwards, using ALL sunlight, where land based vegetation finds itself decimated periodically, having to start over, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, ocean fishing will be best, due to the broad space it covers and the shared nutrient and fishlife resulting, but land lakes will likewise likely do better than the shores!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) ZT: Re how long the volcanoes will take to settle down. 100 years, but in a reducing ratio, over this time.
(NancyL) ZT: by the end of 100 years, their activity will seem as today.
(SteveH) after two years?
(NancyL) ZT: Nevertheless, for those downwind, this post shift burping is virtually a death sentence!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Well folks, its been an excellent hour! I wish to thank our questioners for their excellent and pertinent questions.
(NancyL) We are looking to extablish an hour when all around the world can find it at least possible to attend.
(SteveH) Thank-you Nancy!
(MListman) Thanks
(MikeO) :) :) :)
(SteveH) and Zeta's too hehe
(NancyL) I have posed whether on Saturdays, 4:00 PM Central Time, last evening in Europe, and late morning in Australia, for instance, might not be a good regular time.
(NancyL) Your input (after this chat) on this matter would be helpful.
(NancyL) Good night to all, and an especial thanks to Jurian and Gerard, and to Jurian, sure hope you don't have to work EARLY tomorrow!
(NancyL) Bye bye. this will be put on the web, shortly :-)
Session Close: Sun Nov 11 19:20:00 2001